Avengers

[concertigrossi]

Right, ok, so I'm fic-trawling for good Coulson and good Captain America stories (NEED MOAR NEED MOAR NAOW), and, as always, there is the good, the bad, and the ugly. But I'm getting the distinct impression that this is one of those fandoms where the lack of research is going to drive me bug-fuck.


1) Steve Rogers will not notice that the Twin Towers aren't there anymore.

2) Brooklyn =/= the Bronx =/= Manhattan =/= Queens. There are 28,000 people per square mile in NYC: these distinctions are important.

3) Slash Steve Rogers with whomever you please (in fact, please do!) but for God's sake, realize you're going to have to put some work into it. He got frozen in 1943, the Kinsey report doesn't come out until 1948. Dude is going to have some issues with the idea.

4) New Mexico is big, this is true. I have driven through lots and lots of it. It's huge, and there's a whole lotta nothing. (Also, thank you for not thinking you need a passport to get there.) However, if you drive 500 miles straight in any direction, you will likely no longer be in New Mexico.

5) The 1960s did not invent the drug culture. Just because Steve is as squeaky clean as they come doesn't mean he won't know what marijuana is. For example:

See what I mean?

Comments

[schemingreader.livejournal.com]

I think a poor kid on the Lower East Side might already be alienated from the ways that Catholic Charities behaved there during the Depression.

How would I handle it? Huh. I think I would make him less innocent and more repressed--but that's based on my sense of the period, not on knowing any more of the canon than this one movie. In my reading of the film, he cares a lot about self-control and doing things for the team. His attitude toward Tony has to have done a complete 180 in the wake of his valor in battle.

I'd probably write the story from Tony or whomever's POV and let them observe him from the outside and fail to understand, because that way you can get maximal slash misunderstanding jollies out of the fic. (Even if I put Steve with Natasha, I would still write it as comradely bromance slash--except that she clearly has that with Hawkeye in this picture.) I would have Steve eventually reveal his feelings in some way. Perhaps he could expect that his male partner would eventually find a woman to love, and that he has to be cool with that? Except then he's really not and is awkward and stuff?

Couldn't Captain America have had a thing with his sidekick Bucky back in the day anyway?

[schemingreader.livejournal.com]

(Comment about Catholic Charities may be skewed from my learning about how they disbursed funds from people who eventually became Communists! I listened to a bunch of Spanish Civil War vets' oral histories at one point.)

[concertigrossi.livejournal.com]

Well, there's the trick - is he Lower East Side or Brooklyn? Wiki sez Manhattan, movie says Brooklyn. And *especially* during the Depression, there were places where the religious charities were the only help people were getting at all...

(I didn't know that about the Catholic Charities.. that collection of oral histories sounds really interesting. Is it generally available? I have, in the past, avoided post WWI history because somehow people doing stupid things a century ago is somehow easier to take than people being stupid recently..)

Your take makes a lot of sense. So... you're going to write it now, right? :) I totally agree about his opinion of Tony. It's going to be awkward regardless of the situation - it's not like Steve is a smooth operator!

(I could totally see Cap/Bucky. In fact, I totally *want* to see a good Cap/Bucky. I'm not saying that Cap is necessarily not going to be interested in men, just that it's not going to be an easy process for him to come to terms with.)

[schemingreader.livejournal.com]

I believe about all of these comic book characters that there are multiple versions of their origin stories out there, and so you can get people writing Steve in any of the five boroughs. Some of the characters used to have supernatural powers and then, didn't. I think it's probably pretty hard to keep up with the canon if you haven't been a fan for ages. I rented the DVD of XMen First Class and watched the extras, and the people who made that one admitted that they could not create a film that was consistent with all available canon.

The oral histories are in an archive at Brandeis. They aren't online. It's hours of old guys, and some women, talking. I googled around and found the Abraham Lincoln Brigade has an online database and through it, that Bill Bailey's autobiography is online. These guys weren't afraid of anything. They make fictional characters look meek.